Classic Shell: Forum

I upgraded to Windows 10, I have Classic Start Menu installed. Since at the top of the menu I had the win 8 Start Page linked to the Classic Start Menu, and that no longer existed, I decided to place a link to Windows 10 "Start Menu" in it's place. Well that works fine there so I can click the "Start Menu" and get the Windows 10 version of the Start Menu, however here is the rest of the story... I elected to remove the Windows 10 Start Menu from the task bar... No problem there. Windows 10 lets you unpin it. Now if I had not placed the Windows 10 Start Menu at the top of my Classic Start Menu, I would never be able to access it. Since I did place it there so I CAN access it fine, but when the Windows 10 Start Menu closes, it warns me that the (WIndows 10) Start Menu can not be accessed. Why it informs me I can not access the menu after I just finished accessing it I can not understand, and the popup is annoying.

So here is my question, how can I keep the (Windows 10) Start Menu inside of my Classic Start menu without that annoying popup telling me I can not access the Start Menu, even though I actually just got done using it, because it is not pinned to the taskbar!

Delete all shortcuts to Windows Start Menu first by right click -> Delete. Then open Classic Start Menu settings and go to the Main Menu tab. Check the option "Show Start screen shortcut".

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Links to some general topics:

● Compare Start Menus

● Read the Search box usage guide.

I am a Windows enthusiast and helped a little with Classic Shell's testing and usability/UX feedback.

That works but does not give me that same Start Menu I was seeing this is the menu I was seeing:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/wi15qdfn2d0katc/Start_Menu_1.png?dl=0

This is what I see using your method...

https://www.dropbox.com/s/3sz8tkn29fsbr23/Start_Menu_2.png?dl=0

am I missing something here?

It looks like you are restarting the Classic Start menu to look like a Windows 10 Start Menu, not the same I think...

It looks like you have another start menu software already installed. Classic Shell does not support being installed at the same time as another such software. You have to uninstall one or the other.

From the screenshot, it appears that you have "Pokki" Start Menu installed. None of your screenshots show Classic Shell's menu.

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Links to some general topics:

● Compare Start Menus

● Read the Search box usage guide.

I am a Windows enthusiast and helped a little with Classic Shell's testing and usability/UX feedback.

I am showing the the Windows 10 Start Menu. If you read the original post I placed the Windows 10 Start Menu in my Classic Start Menu so I could access it there. My Classic Start Menu is NOT the problem. It is the Windows 10 Start Menu that is the problem. AFTER calling it from the Classic Start Menu it says it can not be accessed because it is not pinned to the Task-bar. Hence the problem. So to reiterate, the Windows 10 Start Menu is called, does what it is supposed to do, but upon closing it a popup says The Start Menu cannot be accessed because it needs to be pinned to the Task-bar even after just accessing it! You solution did not allow me to access the WIndows 10 Start Menu from the Classic Start Menu without this popup.

It will be rare that I need to access the Windows 10 Start menu, but I need to access it without having it on my task-bar another thing that could work is a toggle within Classic Start Menu that hides/reveals the Windows 10 Start Menu while leaving it on the Task-bar. So I either need a way for Classic Start menu to fool the Windows 10 Start menu into thinking it is on the Task-bar when it's not, or to make it temporarily pinning to the Task-bar until it is not needed, or over-riding the popup warning either disabling the popup, or by disabling what even checks to see if it is on the Task-bar. It might be as simply as a registry key being changed, a patch to Windows 10, or a mod to the Classic Start Menu itself. I need both as I hate recent Windows Start Screen/Menus and enjoy Classic Start Menu for it's usability. Otherwise I'll toast this OS and goto some version of Linux. This is the first windows machine I have owned since 1995. I hated Win8.1 and immediately started hacking the crap out of it to make it usable, and Classic Start Menu help a lot in that respect Win 10 is definitely a step up. A former friend had a win 8 machine 5 minutes after sitting behind that beast i was ready to snap it in half over my knee. Totally worthless crap.

Now I am comfortable with Classic Start Menu and want to keep it while hiding the Windows 10 Start menu, hopefully somewhere as a link or sub menu or Classic Start Menu without popus saying it is inaccessible even though I CAN access it! That is why I even mentioned Windows 10 Start menu I need them to coexist with only ONE Start Button on my task-bar. Do you now understand what I am trying to do? I am not sure how else or what else to say to describe this. Very freaking simple concept, but I know it COULD have a very convoluted solution.

Walter M Green III

P.S. I have no clue what a pokki is. This is stock Window 10 with only Classic Start Menu added.

Please, download the Classic Shell Utility from here: http://www.classicshell.net/downloads/
Run it and send me the log file.

Attached

I have sent the log, but it probably results in nothing being wrong.

Aside from Classic Shell, you have a program named "Start Menu" that is already installed. Also you have the software Pokki installed in this folder: C:\Users\n3pla_000\AppData\Local\Pokki. I am almost certain those are two separate programs but I may be wrong.
You will have to uninstall both of them if you want to use Classic Shell. None of the screenshots you posted show any traces of Classic Shell.

I already told you why I did not have images of classic shell. Are you not understanding the problem, or do you need an interpreter. please find someone who understand what i am saying.

And what I'm saying is that Classic Shell does not support being installed at the same time as other 3rd-party start menu software. You have at least one, maybe even two extra start menu programs. You have to uninstall them if you want to use Classic Shell. Otherwise you will get weird behavior.

You are not understanding that there is another Start Menu software installed on your computer called Pokki. You may not have installed it, it may have come with your PC pre-installed. The images that you showed are also of this alternate Start Menu.

What you must do to fix this is go to Control Panel -> Programs and Features. Look the entry called "Start Menu (0.269.7.738)" and uninstall it. That is the one by Pokki.

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Links to some general topics:

● Compare Start Menus

● Read the Search box usage guide.

I am a Windows enthusiast and helped a little with Classic Shell's testing and usability/UX feedback.

Pokki is a software manufacturer. I see they made some of the Lenovo Apps in my system. This is partly why I had no clue what you were talking about. I don't presently have a Start Menu installed, as per your instructions. It however seems as though this may have been the Start Menu I liked, and thought was win 10s start menu. I will need to contact them and see if that stupid popup can be disabled, if not it will stay uninstalled. Classic shell seems to get along with other start menus, I was hoping it could trick what I thought was win 10 into thinking the start menu was on the task-bar. Now I know why you were not understanding me, and why I was getting frustrated. Sorry for any and all misunderstandings.

Windows 10 itself is acting up a bit too, only had it on this machine 3 days and want win8 back. Don't run Cortana. It runs fine, but win10 is the biggest memory hog when Cortana in running I was having trouble running more than 2-3 apps. I had to shut down Cortana, now win10 ain't acting up so much. My machine is no slouch on memory, but also isn't a Frankenstein with endless memory and multiple sockets each filled with multicore processors. Only one multicore processor here. This beasty hardly draws current from the power line, my monitor may actually draw more. 60w power supply, who'd have thunk it! It still seems to hate CCleaner. So I might max the memory when I get some extra change.

Again thanks,
Like Superman would say...
Sorry to be a pain in "S"