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PostPosted: Sun Aug 01, 2021 9:15 pm 
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So far. I have been using Classic start menu ever since windows 10 came out. I have had zero issues with it, even after major updates.
Windows 11 has been leaked for a while now, and I believe is available as a legit download preview as well now...Has anyone tried Classic Start with windows 11?
I hated the win 10 start menu, and am sure I will hate the windows 11 version.
I know there are other start menu replacements, but CSM IS the BEST! Even if it has ben many years since an official update.


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 05, 2021 8:38 am 
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Well, Open Shell is better than Classic Shell for Windows 10 and Windows 11 because of the various fixes and enhancements it made after Classic Shell's last release.

As of current Windows 11 builds (22449.1000), there are many ways to use Classic Shell/Open Shell:


1.⠀Use the ExplorerPatcher project to revert first to the Classic Taskbar without losing the rest of Windows 11 functionality
2.⠀Use StartIsBack++ to enable the Classic Taskbar and revert many bad changes in Windows 11 but keep using the Classic Shell/Open Shell menu.
3.⠀Use⠀Classic Shell/Open Shell just as is with the Modern Taskbar (but you will have to use a square button - more on that below, read on)
4.⠀Revert to the Classic Taskbar with a Registry key instead of the in-memory patch that ExplorerPatcher does but a ton of functionality breaks.

1.⠀If you use ExplorerPatcher, there are no compromises required
2.⠀StartIsBack is yet another excellent, easy to use option with an installer with no compromises required
3.⠀If you use Open Shell with the new Taskbar in Windows 11, you lose a huge amount of Classic Taskbar features which has better usability
4.⠀Below described is the Regedit value that revives the classic Taskbar but it breaks a lot of things. Therefore either using ExplorerPatcher or StartIsBack to revive the classic Taskbar is a better option.

Windows Registry Editor Version 5.00

[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Shell\Update\Packages]
"UndockingDisabled"=dword:00000001

Restart Explorer or log off and login again. In this old Taskbar, most things work as before, including Classic Shell/Open Shell. Unlike Windows 11's new Taskbar, there are no Start button position, replacement and custom image issues with the classic Taskbar.

For the system tray icons, run the command:

Explorer shell:::{05d7b0f4-2121-4eff-bf6b-ed3f69b894d9}\SystemIcons

Use it to enable any icons you want - Volume, Date/Time/Clock, Action Center and other things like Language/Input indicator. Only the Power and Network icons on Classic Taskbar are useless or broken. Taskbar Toolbars (DeskBands) such as NetSpeedMonitor and Everything Toolbar also work. You can use Winaero Tweaker to enable classic Volume control with the Volume icon (and also fix a lot of broken Windows 11/10 stuff).

Since they split Quick actions from notifications in Windows 11, the cogwheel icon on the classic Taskbar (Win+A) opens the flyout from where you can access Wifi/Network, Volume and other things. Win+N shows calendar and notifications (but not calendar events/agenda).

If you still need direct icons for some broken/missing tray icon functionality, try these apps.

● For replacing/augmenting Network icon even though you can access Wifi from Win+A, use NetAnimate 1.8: https://1drv.ms/u/s!AqQf4TJSwxe-ggHjTBgD3J36QoUO?e=5mCYWs It shows you internet connectivity of any network hardware interfaces - wired or wireless and can give direct access to their Properties and Status.
● For Sound/Volume, use Winaero SimpleSndVol especially with the Jloud theme which shows the current volume level directly in the taskbar with a clear white icon + green bar: https://winaero.com/simplesndvol/
● For Power icon, use Battery Mode app by Artem Tarasov: https://en.bmode.tarcode.ru/ This is far superior to the Windows power icon
● To launch the Wi-Fi/Network pane, use this command from Run dialog: ms-availablenetworks: or create a AutoHotkey script to open it with for example Win+W for Wifi.

Turn off any extra Taskbar icons from Settings if you want (Task View button, Search icon etc).

Features that remain broken on the classic Taskbar as of the build mentioned above of Windows 11 if you use UndockingDisabled Registry value:


● The Windows 11 Start Menu obviously stops working as well as the new Windows cloud-powered search user interface (Win+S/Win+W). Workaround: Classic Shell's Start search still remains far superior to the Windows menu and to Win+S search.

● Touch keyboard with emoji (Workaround: Use an app like Telegram Desktop for entering emoji - it has search for emoji too)

● Win+X menu stops working (Workaround: You don't really need the Win+X menu when you have the full power of the Classic Shell/Open Shell Start Menu! You can just recreate the Win+X menu in Classic Shell's Start menu itself or link to Windows Administrative Tools in a subfolder/custom item and put Win+X menu shortcuts there)

● Widgets don't work. As a workaround, you can use the commercial app, True Launch Bar. It has various plugins including News, Weather and a lot more.


● Explorer search box is broken after "UndockingDisabled" as well. (Workaround: Use Everything Search and Windows Search integration of Classic Shell/Open Shell as an alternative.) In Everything Search, you can type: <searchquery> path:<folderpath> to search a specific folder

● Snap Previews on the Maximize button/the new snap layouts of Windows 11 are disabled with UndockingDisabled=1. Workaround: You can use the FancyZones Microsoft PowerToy.

● Win+H (Windows cloud-powered dictation) is disabled with UndockingDisabled=1. As a workaround, you can use Google Docs Voice Typing to dictate text.

● The Windows Startup sound is disabled with UndockingDisabled=1. Workaround: Just have a VBscript playing a sound at startup.

● Screen snip (Win+Shift+S) does not work. Use any of the dozens of third party screenshot taking tools.

● There is a considerable delay before Windows 11 logs on when this above Registry value is set to 1.


Regardless of some features lost, the classic Taskbar has far more features and remains the more functional and easy-to-use one. The new one is dumbed down and custom Start button images also won't work correctly with it.

7+ Taskbar Tweaker works with the Classic Taskbar, all the older Registry values work, as does StartIsBack++ and Open Shell for changing the taskbar's appearance. StartIsBack++ taskbar msstyles/themes also work with it.

See here if you need screenshots and step-by-step guidance: https://winaero.com/how-to-restore-clas ... ive-tiles/


As for the skin to use I recommend this one: viewtopic.php?f=17&t=8557 Unlike Windows XP skin which had only 3 colors (Blue, Olive Green and Silver), this one follows your Windows accent color while still maintaining the practical and beautiful XP layout.

Finally if you would like more people to know that Classic Shell and Open Shell still work with Windows 11 brilliantly, please share the link of this topic everywhere on the web as many people mistakenly seem to think it no longer works.

Attached screenshots of Open Shell Start Menu with this skin in 7 style and XP style, and some examples of fixed Taskbar with a combination of Open Shell/Classic Shell and StartIsBack++ on Windows 11.

P.S. The taskbar is intentionally cluttered to demonstrate all the features that Windows 11's new taskbar removes (but the classic Taskbar has intact).


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PostPosted: Wed Aug 18, 2021 2:00 pm 
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If you wish to use Classic Shell / Open Shell with the new severely degraded "Modern" Windows 11 taskbar and the taskbar icons on the left (not centered), this particular button works well with it for now, completely overlaying the Windows 11 Start button. As it's a square button without any transparency.


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PostPosted: Wed Aug 25, 2021 8:06 am 
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As mentioned above, there is an in-memory patch available: https://github.com/valinet/ExplorerPatcher by a talented developer, Valentin-Gabriel Radu to enable only the Classic Taskbar without enabling "UndockingDisabled" and prevent the side effects it comes with/the things it breaks. As Windows 11 is finalized, the developer aims to update it to work with newer builds/releases.

Update: As of now it's already compatible with 22449.1000.

Of course, it will only work as long as Microsoft keeps the old Taskbar code intact in the OS. If they decide to remove it, some developer will have to step up and develop a full taskbar alternative. However, currently all of the above broken features work due to the in-memory nature of this patch. Unlike UndockingDisabled=1, it's not an all or none switch. It even lets you disable the new dumbed down context menus. You don't have to use any of the above mentioned workarounds as new Windows 11 features still work.

ExplorerPatcher brings back the full classic Taskbar while keeping full Windows 11 functionality and:

● It can revert to the classic/full context menus
● It can show All Apps directly in the new Windows 11 Start menu
● It can skin USB Safely remove menu in black just like the other taskbar menus
● It supports a Win+C hotkey for the Windows 10 Calendar flyout with the Agenda/Calendar events.
● It can revert to the classic Explorer search box - the one which populates the values for the Advanced Query Syntax, prior to the undesirable changes made in Windows 10 1903.

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