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PostPosted: Sun Dec 03, 2017 2:03 pm 
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Sad news, everyone.

After months of deliberation, I have decided to stop the development of Classic Shell.

It was a great adventure for me that lasted 8 fun and exciting years. It started back in 2009 as a simple weekend project and over time grew to be a hugely popular software brand with many millions of downloads. It was in large part due to all of you, the active Classic Shell community, that reported issues, suggested features, provided translations, developed new skins and participated in forum discussions. My thanks go to you for your continued support and encouragement.

And of course, special thanks to Gaurav Kale, who stuck with me from the early days to the end. His passion for all things Windows was instrumental to the Classic Shell success.

There were few factors that led to my decision:
1) Lack of free time. I have other hobbies that demand my time, some related to software and some not. It requires a lot of effort to add new major features to Classic Shell and keep it relevant. Even keeping it running on newer version of Windows is a lot of work. That leads me to point #2

2) Windows 10 is being updated way too frequently (twice a year) and each new version changes something that breaks Classic Shell. And

3) Each new version of Windows moves further away from the classic Win32 programming model, which allowed room for a lot of tinkering. The new ways things are done make it very difficult to achieve the same customizations

So, moving forward, I am making the latest version of Classic Shell open-source and adding it back to SourceForge (https://sourceforge.net/projects/classicshell/), where it all began. I encourage other people to fork it and go with it.
I will keep the MediaFire download mirror for another 6 months. The forum on http://www.classicshell.net/forum/ will stay open until the end of 2018, however I will not frequently participate in the discussions.

Update: The source code can be also found on GitHub here: https://github.com/coddec/Classic-Shell


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It's like losing a good, old friend. Thanks for all your stellar work and for making Windows *way* more usable. Good luck for everything you do in the future!

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Have you thought about hosting the source on a site like GitHub or GitLab? Their UIs for tracking issues, potential contributions, and just browsing code in general are a lot nicer than SourceForge's. This would be useful if you wanted the community to take over maintaining Classic Shell and keeping it unbroken on future Windows releases in the original repository, as opposed to a "Classic Shell Community" fork or something similar.


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Sad to see you go; it's been fun.


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Can't you make a business model for Classic Shell? If it makes you money -- you can have motivation to do it again no?


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I just wanted to say a heartfelt "thank you" for keeping it up for so long and making it in the first place. It made using Win10 acceptable for me. I use it on basically every machine I run...

I would also like to agree with bb010g's post about putting it on GitHub: It makes most things like collaborating, contributing, forking, tracking issues and more much easier.

In any case, once again thank you for making Classic Shell for as long as you did, and thank you even more for making the source available (no matter if sourceforge, github or somewhere else) and not just dropping it. Much appreciated!


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Man, so sad, its a sad day, like the rest github is the day, please up it on github too, one last shot ?


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Hi, I registered this account just want to say thank you, I've been use it for long time, it works great!
It looks like you are very busy, that you won't have time for this project anymore, as such, I've created an repository for this project as an tribute to your hard work, all credits goes to you.
Here's the link https://github.com/coddec/Classic-Shell

Hopefully others will continue on development of this wonderful project.

In case if you want to get it back under your name/account, just send me an email or reply to me, I think it should be able to transfer ownership of this project to you.

Thank you!


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Thank you for your efforts.


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Sad to hear. I've been using this since Windows 7. Makes Windows usable for me. Thanks for all your work!


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Oh, that is too bad. I used ClassicShell on both Windows 10 PCs, because I don't like the original Windows 10 Startmenu. I also donated to you some time ago because of this great piece of software.

But well, thanks for creating such a great software and thanks also for making it open source. Maybe the community get another great software from you in the future and good luck and success in your personal life (including your other hobbies).


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Hey,

I'm sorry to hear the news.. but hey, why do you not move up
the source code to github and give other the possible for make the project further..
i bet with you, the one or other programmer want support this project on github with code !

and by the way, do you know reactos.org, the (at moment) XP successor and
if the stage of xp done, i bet, goes further up to Win7 like and so on..
for this it is important to give this code on github and maybe unter gpl2
or something where it is compatible with Reactos.org

You should move it on Github :)
there do you not need many time, easy maybe add the one or other programmer where
have the possible to continue this project because Classic shell it's now around
of the world well known.. and hey, how many programmers on the net ?
so, what speaks against to move it up to github as gpl2 project ?

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r u fuck kid me man my nigga classic shell Wuz best fam

Ok but thanks for nice program my niggaaaaaaaaa but pls to putting there's codes onto that github.


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I'm willing to host the forum for posterity after the renewal period runs out in 2018, as well as the parts of the website that contribute to instructional pages for end users and developers alike. I'll keep logs from SourceForge there too, in case SourceForge goes the way of Codeplex.

The other advantage of this is that my infrastructure can perform on-the-fly checksum matching. Should a breach occur like the Classic Shell/Audacity breach of 2016, I can automatically notify developers. After going open source, this will be a whole lot more important.

Naturally, in the spirit of FOSS I will do this free of charge, permanently.


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I REALLY want you go back in development because i hate StartIsBack! StartIsBack is a lot slower than Classic Shell! It makes me extremely sad that you left us. I wish I REALLY want you go back in development so badly because I really do NOT like StartIsBack! And I don't like Windows 10 start menu


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About the suggestions to take Classic Shell commercially - that's not a solution for me. It has never been about the money. I have had a well-paying job in game development for years, even before Classic Shell started. The main goal was to have fun coding, to create a tool mostly for my own use (at least initially), and afterwards to support the awesome community that formed around Classic Shell.

Thanks, thx_4_the_hard_wk, for the GitHub upload. I do not need it to be under my name, since I don't have an account there. I will add the GitHub link to the FAQ page when I get the chance.
I would like nothing more than somebody else picking up the mantle and continue the development.


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I am so sorry to hear this, but... you are truly a class act. Built something enormously useful to many people, for fun, and then released it to the wild for free when it wasn't fun anymore.

Best of everything to you.


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Ah man, this is a sad day indeed! I've been using Classic Shell since version 2. I use it on Windows 7 for the extras, like Classic IE, but would you believe I also use Classic Shell's Start Menu (in Windows 7 skin) on Windows 7? That's right, I use Classic Shell instead of the native menu even tho they look identical - Turned out there is a bug with Kaspersky and the Start Menu that does not happen when using Classic Shell. The day I switched from the native menu to Classic Shell's, I donated; it was worth every penny I gave. Dearly hope someone else picks-up maintenance. I agree that Microsoft is making everyone's job a major pain in the behind with their ridiculous re-compile of the entire OS every 6 months; everything breaks! And for what? So that Windows looks and feels and programs like a smartphone! Better stop here or I will rant all night...


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Hi Ivo,
very sorry to read your decision, but understandable nonetheless. As fascinating as information technology may be it is eating it's children on the way. Myself coming from network admin over webdeveloper to consultant say... go, get a life :-)

No really IT still IS fun but ClassicShell is a full grown project now and I can understand totally that you want to move on after eight years of commitment. Thank you very much for caring.

I Hope some people will take up the ball. I'd also be glad to pay for it.

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Wonderful piece of software. I've been using it since the launch of Win8. Over time it has become a natural part of my system configuration and only occasional updates reminded me that it wasn't actually a part of the OS.

Thank you very much for Classic Shell.

I wish you the best.


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Hi,

New registered just for a few words.

I've installed it on so many computers (family, friends, colleagues). It's like f.lux : I can't imagine to see any windows OS without them.
I've even received sometimes some obscure emails to ask me "could you install on my new laptop this thing for the menu ?" => Yeah, I know what you mean, no problem ;-)

So, in my name and so many others around me, we are enormously grateful for your work and dedication.
Thanks.


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I understand. Windows 10 is awful.


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Very sad, but not unexpected news... I understand you reasons really well.

I used Windows 10 only a couple of days until now.
The first to install it (the last day which it was "free", last year).
The last to update to FCU.
In the meanwhile to disable and change to my liking what is still possible to tweak.
I had no problem at all, but I really dislike what Microsoft is doing.

I still use Windows 7 Pro, and, if this is the trend with every "new" update, I'll have to find another OS, maybe Linux, who knows...

Thanks Ivo for all, anyway.


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Very sorry to see you go.

I'm a developer as well, and I have to imagine that many users of classic shell are as well. Perhaps community maintenance of the project on github will be viable. I'll certainly contribute if I'm able.


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Well it's not my problem because I don't use Windows 10 and I never will. I have got no intention whatsoever of ever installing Windows 10. But I do use Windows 7 and 8 and find I do need a start menu on 8.

I am very sorry that you have decided to discontinue Classic Shell. I have never used Windows 10 but have heard it's terrible. Not like Windows 7 or 8 at all. I understand the problems with Windows 10 but there are plenty of people like me who don't use 10. And still use Windows 8 who need to have a start menu.

I am going to carry on using Classic Shell on my Windows 8 even after it is discontinued. Because I have looked at other start menu options but the other software is not as good as Classic Shell.
Classic Shell is very much like the Windows XP and 7 start menu but other software is not quite the same.

So I am staying with Classic Shell no matter what.

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Thanks for Classic Shell. I'm using it from Windows 7 and now is 10 and I still prefer it instead original cause never is more convenient than Windows XP Start Menu. Ribbons and other modern stuff may be beautiful and stylish, but classic menus is much more convenient. Good luck to you and really big thank you again. I hope Classic Shell will continued to live once became open source.


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Classic Shell is, for me, an essential piece of software. I install it on every computer I use! Even virtual machine's I only need for an hour, Classic Shell is the first thing I install.

I'm so sad to see this WONDERFUL product coming to an end. But I do feel your pain. I am sad to see Windows moving away from Win32 as well.

Thanks for the great program and hopefully this project will live on in some form or another.


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No classic shell = no Windows 10, or 8. Those products are UNUSABLE for anyone who wants to control their own software.Thanks Ivo you helped so many people.


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Thank you for your work, Ivo. Even if I no longer use it myself, I'm still sad to see Classic Shell go. For many years it was my go-to for anything that had Windows 8.x or newer on it. Heck, once my parents upgraded their computers to Windows 10, I set them up with it, and they loved it too.

Beyond even that, your product inspired me. Classic Shell was pretty much my introduction to the very idea that the Windows operating system can be modified, and my entry point to taking part in such Customizations. Eventually it even inspired me to start developing my own menu, which is kind of exploding into something bigger now, but I won't get too far into that here.

Thank you for what you've done for all of us for all these years. Your efforts and source code won't go to waste, that's for sure. I promise.



freezer wrote:
Thanks for the great program and hopefully this project will live on in some form or another.

Pierrot wrote:
No classic shell = no Windows 10, or 8. Those products are UNUSABLE for anyone who wants to control their own software.Thanks Ivo you helped so many people.

I don't mean to be that guy who takes advantage of others' misfortune here, but I would hope that those mourning the impending end of Classic Shell, such as you two, may take some comfort in knowing that, as said above, I've been developing a Shell thing of my own, entitled Start9. But again, I won't get too far into that here. Anyone interested, PM me for more info, either on this forum, or via a note on DeviantArt, for once this forum is shut down.

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If the nature of Windows changes in the future from a service, back to a product, that doesn't bombard you with tremendously bloated, intrusive, disruptive, rude, worthless updates that leave you with no real control, freedom to tweak or keep the features you like, and if any fork of Classic Shell happens from the code released on SourceForge/GitHub, then I am definitely interested in testing it. However at the moment, Windows is such a nightmare that it makes no sense to develop a quality app for it. It just doesn't improve the horrible Windows experience in any way. Out-of-control updates make the OS waste your time and a constant pain to use. It is highly unlikely that Windows will get any better unless the management changes at Microsoft to focus on the quality of the user experience.

For 10 years since Vista, Microsoft has been unable to develop a decent servicing mechanism for Windows. :lol: :mrgreen: And that is just the tip of the ice berg. There are so many problems with Windows 10 under the new CEO that I can't even begin to list them. But despite horrible flaws, only a small subset of its users seem to care and the rest are accepting anything that Microsoft offers them. It doesn't make any sense to build an intelligent software like Classic Shell with so much effort and attention to detail if the majority doesn't care and the UX is such a nightmare for us. You can choose to stay with Windows 7 or 8.1 where it should continue to work for years.

So until then, adios.

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i was crying a little bit about 5 minutes last night because of end of development


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i really want you go back in development but no needs to release for win10 Fall Creators Update

Win10 Anniversary Update got extended support until 2023


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If you do ever re-consider, and perhaps go to a paid version - you have my support. I have already donated twice, and am happy to pay a little more if it keeps ClassicShell going.


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Yes, I would definitively be interested in a paid version too - even if it is released "as a service"! :D

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That's why I really HATE StartIsBack!!!

I will RECOMMENDED Classic Shell!!!


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Gaurav wrote:
If the nature of Windows changes in the future from a service, back to a product, that doesn't bombard you with tremendously bloated, intrusive, disruptive, rude, worthless updates that leave you with no real control, freedom to tweak or keep the features you like, and if any fork of Classic Shell happens from the code released on SourceForge/GitHub, then I am definitely interested in testing it. However at the moment, Windows is such a nightmare that it makes no sense to develop a quality app for it. It just doesn't improve the horrible Windows experience in any way. Out-of-control updates make the OS waste your time and a constant pain to use. It is highly unlikely that Windows will get any better unless the management changes at Microsoft to focus on the quality of the user experience.


So until then, adios.



Well the answer is simple.

DON'T upgrade to Windows 10.

Stick with Windows 7 and 8 as I am doing.

I don't understand why people are using Windows 10 as it is so terrible.

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a good chunk of people were upgraded 'automatically' while they were away
a good chunk of people bought systems pre-installed with Windows 10
a good chunk of people don't have the technical skills, or care (because it does facebook just fine)
a good chunk of people fell for the hype train and found out it isn't as bad as it seems.

Personally, I agree with the constant updates, in an attempt to make the OS the best it can be out of the box. Sadly this means it has to break 3rd party mods.. but you can always turn off non-critical updates and then these breaking changes simply won't roll out automatically...
I also like windows 10 better than windows 8/8.1, however I would prefer windows 7, with exception to 1-2 critical feature, though 10 is good enough, that Ill keep it..


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Andrea Borman wrote:
Well the answer is simple.
DON'T upgrade to Windows 10.
Stick with Windows 7 and 8 as I am doing.
I don't understand why people are using Windows 10 as it is so terrible.

Yes you and I and some others on this forum are smart enough to understand that Windows 10 is crap and won't ever "upgrade" to it. But not everyone. There's not enough time and resources to convince everyone in the world how crap it is. Most people don't care as long as it does their tasks like Facebook and email and games, while some are of the opinion that they must obey/comply with any change that Microsoft does because they blindly trust Microsoft to always take the best decision for them. So even if the Windows team might be full of incompetent or dishonest people, it makes no difference to the company's bottom line. They have worked with PC manufacturers and their partners to eradicate Windows 7 and 8.1 from the market. For example, without the necessary drivers, you won't be able to properly run Windows 7 or 8.1 on newer hardware. Without Windows Update supported officially on newer CPUs (which it isn't), it won't be patched or updated. Microsoft can force Windows 10 as long as people tolerate their nonsense. But it looks like a lot of people are not tolerating their nonsense which is why PC sales are down for so long. There are ways to do many tasks without a PC (mobile devices) and that's exactly what people are choosing.

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Jcee wrote:
I also like windows 10 better than windows 8/8.1


In what ways?


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Even if i personnaly don't intend to change from Windows 7, there could be a technical reason to upgrade (i'm not concerned with).
The new AVX 512bits registers on new CPU (ZMMxx) (SkylakeX and future) are only supported on Windows 10. This concern very few people, mostly in video processing/encoding, but, this could be a reason to upgrade. To have access to theses features if the your program support them, you'll have to be under Windows 10.
As the "why" Windows 7 for exemple doesn't support them ? Just because they didn't exist at the time. Principal issue is multi-tasking and context saving, the OS can't save/restore registers he doesn't even know they exist.


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First of all, thank you. This software is the first thing that I add to any install. I absolutely loved the options, the ability to see what I changed, and most importantly, how much of an improvement that it made on the usability of my machines.
I can totally understand your reasons for moving on, and wish you all the best. On a selfish level, I am totally bummed that this is the potential end of the road.
Have a great holiday season, and if you are ever bored, feel free to update it! (j/k)

I have an idea, maybe you could just join the microsoft team and fix it from the inside? That sounds like a good plan!


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Thank you very much for creating and maintaining such an excellent application for so long. Best wishes for the future.


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I cannot express my thankfulness to Ivo Beltchev for this wonderful piece of software- Classic Shell. Without it I simply cannot imagine using Windows 8. Many thanks for all your great work throughout all these years! Good luck in all your future projects! Be happy!

I hope that Classic Shell will not die, that someone would take over the project and will at least maintain it.


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nooooooooooooooooooooooo......
what are the alternatives?


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