It's possible to see - in the left side of start menu (win7 look) - both the apps (metro) and the programs (the most ones)? Same list, without "app" folder
(I'm on windows 10)
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| Author: | Hadden [ Sun Aug 23, 2015 11:50 am ] |
| Post subject: | Show apps/programs in same place |
It's possible to see - in the left side of start menu (win7 look) - both the apps (metro) and the programs (the most ones)? Same list, without "app" folder (I'm on windows 10) |
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| Author: | Gaurav [ Fri Oct 16, 2015 7:50 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Show apps/programs in same place |
No the Apps folder is intentionally separate to not mix them with Programs. Besides, if "Apps" item is enabled in the right column of the Main Menu (from Customize Start Menu tab), you get fast access to any app. |
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| Author: | hottroc [ Fri Feb 05, 2016 11:42 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Show apps/programs in same place |
I don't see the point in keeping the Apps and Programs separate, it just makes things harder to find. Is there an easy way to combine them into one menu (I don't mind if you call it Apps or Programs) ? Thanks. |
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| Author: | Gaurav [ Fri Feb 05, 2016 12:17 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Show apps/programs in same place |
There are distinctions between Apps and Programs which is why they are separate: - Apps can be installed from the Store, programs can be installed from anywhere - Apps are touch-first but work with mouse and keyboard. Programs are mouse and keyboard-first but work with touch - The apps folder is a shell namespace extension where shortcuts cannot be freely deleted, hidden or added unless the app itself is removed/installed. The programs folder has file shortcuts. This is why they are separate. |
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| Author: | hottroc [ Fri Feb 05, 2016 12:33 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Show apps/programs in same place |
Thank you for your reply. All those are technical distinctions and I understand the differences. However from a user point of view there is still no point in them being separated. For example I am using a desktop with mouse and keyboard but that makes no difference to where the "shortcut" is. Where they are installed FROM also makes no difference after the event when I want to start the app/program. I do not want them separated, so is there an easy way to combine them into one (Apps) menu? Thanks. |
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| Author: | Ivo [ Fri Feb 05, 2016 1:06 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Show apps/programs in same place |
No, not possible. The structure of the programs tree is constructed by the installers of the desktop software - the installer creates the folders and places the shortcuts there. Installers for apps don't do that. There is no information anywhere about where to place the app in the programs tree. That's why all apps are placed in the virtual Apps folder. |
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| Author: | hottroc [ Fri Feb 05, 2016 2:37 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Show apps/programs in same place |
Well I don't completely understand that. The standard Windows 10 Start Menu has all the programs and apps in the same menu, the "All apps" menu. That's what I want. Except of course that with Classic Shell I can have my beloved cascading menus. So I'm pretty sure it must be possible if MS can do it. And if MS can do it then, based on my previous experience with Classic Shell, I would have thought you could do it. |
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| Author: | Ivo [ Fri Feb 05, 2016 3:06 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Show apps/programs in same place |
Well, that's the major difference - to get the cascading menus you have to respect the folder structure that the installers create. If you don't use the folder structure and place everything in one list, of course you can have programs and apps mixed together. |
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| Author: | hottroc [ Fri Feb 05, 2016 3:29 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Show apps/programs in same place |
But you can have individual items in the cascading menu. I have for years in Win7 using CS. They don't have to be in folders. So in other words....Programs in their correct folder structures, apps as individual items in the menu structure. |
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| Author: | Gaurav [ Fri Feb 05, 2016 8:55 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Show apps/programs in same place |
The items that are automatically added to Programs and Apps are not done by Classic Shell but by Windows. So technically you could create a file shortcut to an app and move it to the Programs folder but you will have to maintain this all the time because if you install any new apps, they will show up in the Apps folder. |
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| Author: | Jcee [ Sat Feb 06, 2016 6:44 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Show apps/programs in same place |
If they are already in .lnk format, you could use a program to automate Gaurav's suggestion: http://www.online-tech-tips.com/computer-tips/how-to-move-or-copy-files-at-scheduled-time-intervals/ |
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| Author: | hottroc [ Tue Feb 09, 2016 1:26 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Show apps/programs in same place |
Gaurav wrote: The items that are automatically added to Programs and Apps are not done by Classic Shell but by Windows. And yet in standard Windows 10 they are NOT separated! Doesn't make sense. Never mind, as it isn't something you can enable I've done the next best thing which is moved the Apps menu to be a Sub-menu of the Programs menu using the "Customize Start Menu" dialogue. Which is neater in some ways anyway. Thanks for the responses. |
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