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PostPosted: Thu Dec 14, 2017 7:43 am 
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Thanks, i have been using it for years and lol W10 haters in previous messages :lol:


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PostPosted: Fri Dec 15, 2017 10:10 pm 
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So... it will eventually stop working in Windows 10? :(


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Yes, sadly it will likely depreciate(random features will start to break), and eventually stop. Hopefully, someone picks up the torch before then.


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Good luck to Ivo on his adventures as a game developer & such. ^_^
It's sad to see classicshell no longer be in development by Ivo anymore. One day the last classicshell version made by Ivo will cease to work on windows 10, which is sad as well.

I've been using classicshell since 2010, and have seen the hard work that Ivo has put into it over the years which was awesome. Ivo could have left us in the dark about development stopping, and never see a new update again & remain closed source. But Ivo decided to have his project open source again & notify us all of it, which is awesome of him. Not many projects do this, so kudos to Ivo.

If Splitwirez can take up the torch, it'd be cool to see that in development. ^.^

Also, Merry Christmas to everyone! ^^


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PostPosted: Thu Dec 21, 2017 9:55 am 
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Bloody Hell, & Holy Crap!

I didn't notice this post until today.
I've shed some tears thinking about the fun times,
we have had on this forum.

To have Classic Shell Menu work for all these years,
is a testament of how great Ivo is.

As of today on Windows 10, CSM still works for me, except for the scroll skinning.
Once Win 10 updates crash CSM from working anymore,
I will switch back to my Win8 OS, and CSM should keep working, cross fingers. :)

Jcee and Gaurav are right about the changing technologies.
I met a number of people who don't even use Windows anymore.
Everything can be done with a smart phone, even with their small business.
Less app issues, compared to Windows.
As for me, Windows and Classic Shell Menu to the end. :)

Thanks to Ivo, Gaurav,and Jcee, for teaching me about menu skinning. :P


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mayka wrote:
So... it will eventually stop working in Windows 10? :(


classic shell program itself will not stop working but in next windows 10 updates will break some classic shell features...

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 21, 2017 11:09 pm 
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Sorry to hear you won't continue working on it Ivo. You've done a wonderful job all this years, and i am one of those many out there who can "enjoy" W10 to a certain degree thanks to Classic Shell. That being said, i do understand your point of view, life changes for everyone, our RL can be very demanding, and we have to adapt, sometimes dropping old projects we dedicated a lot of time to in the past, it happens all the time.

You take care and i hope all your future projects come true and as successful as this one was for sooooo many years now. Big hugs!!

PS: i edit to say... MERRY XMAS FOR EVERYONE ^^


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Blokk888 wrote:
mayka wrote:
So... it will eventually stop working in Windows 10? :(


classic shell program itself will not stop working but in next windows 10 updates will break some classic shell features...



Knowing Microsoft, they'll probably kill it off completely.
Microsoft doesn't want us to customize anymore, just look how they ruined themes, they made us unable to change the login screen background, they made us unable to change the bootscreen, they made us unable to change the startup sound, and they got rid of the option to use the desktop UI calendar.


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In my honest opinion, Classic Shell is not needed in Windows 10 because finally we have an excellent Start Menu built in which in my opinion is better than the Win 7 one. I stopped using CS a while back but have just reinstalled it for one reason only, to change the Start Button. If someone could just take that part of the code and make a standalone program to just change the Windows 10 Start button, that might be a successful venture.

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 26, 2017 11:12 pm 
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Ivo, your product has singlehandedly buoyed up Windows.

It is quite possibly the most truly useful add-on for Windows, well, probably ever.

But I wonder... If you hadn't done it, and literally millions of people like me and the others around here hadn't found Classic Shell to be a way for everyone to make Windows palatable... Would Win 8.1 have just failed, and Microsoft had to regroup and make a Windows 9 more like 7?

I guess a corollary question is this: Presuming no one keeps Classic Shell working as well as you have been, might it spell a well-deserved doom for Windows 10? That could be a silver lining in all this.

Imagine, a Windows 11 where Microsoft has lost all its awesome 3rd party developers and actually has to create an entire system that all integrates together again...

Thank you for all you have done to make Classic Shell so great. It will continue to be my Start Menu until Win 8.1 freezes over.

-Noel Carboni


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PostPosted: Wed Dec 27, 2017 11:06 am 
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If you stop development in 2018, why don't you return in 2019 just in time for Classic Shell's 10th anniversary?


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I just read your announcement and just had to register to let you know what a stellar piece of software Classic Shell is. Although I do update to Windows 10 everything I get my hands on (and has a valid, upgradable license), Classic shell has always been the third piece of software (after Firefox and a decent virus scanner) I'd install. So it was just now, when I read this sad news on the front page. I've helped countless friends and family members with your software, who would else be lost without the familiar start menu and other interfaces. Microsoft really dropped the ball when it decided to 'tile-ize' and 'ribonize'.

Thank you for open-sourcing Classic Shell. I hope there will be people that will continue development and I'm glad with the GitHub repository, I think it's an excellent way to go forward with development. Although, nowadays, I do most of my development work in Linux (and most code is about back-end work), I have done Windows (VC++/C#/.NET) development and will be curious how the project will move forward. Sadly I'm too busy with other projects (both professional and voluntary), I think I'd be able to actively contribute.

Thank you for Classic Shell all these years, and to whoever who will keep this software relevant in the future, a thank you beforehand as well.


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jiriw wrote:
I just read your announcement and just had to register to let you know what a stellar piece of software Classic Shell is. Although I do update to Windows 10 everything I get my hands on (and has a valid, upgradable license), Classic shell has always been the third piece of software (after Firefox and a decent virus scanner) I'd install. So it was just now, when I read this sad news on the front page. I've helped countless friends and family members with your software, who would else be lost without the familiar start menu and other interfaces. Microsoft really dropped the ball when it decided to 'tile-ize' and 'ribonize'.

Thank you for open-sourcing Classic Shell. I hope there will be people that will continue development and I'm glad with the GitHub repository, I think it's an excellent way to go forward with development. <snip>

Thank you for Classic Shell all these years, and to whoever who will keep this software relevant in the future, a thank you beforehand as well.


Seconded! ;)


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-Hello Ivo.

I have been using Classic Shell nearly 2 years now. Even with Windows 7 I can't live without that.
I understand all the reasons you had for stopping the development of this program (the best in its category)
But I like the fact that you made it open-source instead of keeping it for yourself.

Thank you so much for understanding.
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un grand merci,
beaucoup de tristesse, mais magnifique histoire "d'amour" (?!) :oops:
je tiens aussi à dire merci aussi à Juniper7
les temps changent, mais pas l'amitié ... :)


translation google :

a big thank-you,
a lot of sadness, but a wonderful "love" story (?!)
I also want to say thank you to Juniper7
times change, but not friendship ...


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Came here to wish Happy New Year, and encountered this.
Really a sad and heart-breaking news.
Well, Thank you Ivo for making this wonderfull project


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Thank you, Ivo, for making my favorite Start menu replacement all this time. I tried all the others and honestly always preferred Classic Shell. I think the native Win10 Start menu is rubbish. Take care.


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Thank you for all your work. The Classic Shell do help us a lot to work on Windows system. Best Wish to You!


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OMg that is so sad. Thanks alot for your post.


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Like so many others, I want to say a huge thank you for all your dedication and hard work on the Classic Shell project. Also, good luck in all your future endeavors. Thank You!

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I visited the forum today because I happened to be housecleaning my KeePass database, and saw this announcement.

That's a shame. I've been using it for years on every system I build and/or help other users with. I add my sincere thanks for helping make the Windows experience more tolerable.

Imagine all the users who will be calling up their tech support (e.g., friends, relatives) in a state of panic when MS inevitably breaks Classic Shell's functionality and they can't use their PC normally.
Had I not checked the forum, I would have been blindsided. Too bad you can't push to every installation a large warning prompt with this news, perhaps float a tooltip on the start button on mouseover or when opened via Win key (I suspect most people haven't disabled tooltips on their machines).

Anyway, thanks for the effort up to this point, and best wishes on your future endeavors.


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I also want so say thank you, have used Classic Shell for many years now, and it helped me using Win8 and Win10 (and I always get frustrated when using a machine with the Windows start menu). I hope classic Shell will work for some more updates of Win10, and otherwise I will look for altenatives. Maybe I start studying the source but I guess my programming skills aren't good enough for it. Maybe some other genious is able to update the sources if necessary...

Just done a donation before it's too late :)

Many thanks and I wish Ivo, the other developers/skinners and the whole forum a nice 2018!


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If you have the original W10 edition and do NOT do any updates, won't that work?

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Yes, it would. In most cases classic shell works even on the latest version of windows 10. However for 1-10% of people that is not the case. and eventually its likely that an update will come that breaks compatibility for everyone.
However there is usually an option to roll-back. so if you want you can update until classic shell stops working, then try rolling back to the last working version. Or just find a version you are comfortable with and stick to it like glue...
I would also suggest making a 'recovery' flashdrive with a confirmed working version. because microsoft may not provide old versions later.


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I am willing to contribute on GiHub. What's the workflow of contribution?


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That Windows is harder and harder to customize - in some cases: fix - is, in many ways and, to my mind, all-things-considered bad. It's part of the reason I am on Windows 8. And, being on Windows 8, is why I need ClassicShell. Thank you, Ivo, for your work.

PS: Here's a mini bug report, in case anyone knows an easy fix or a workaround. When pinning PowerShell to the ClassicShell menu, it appears, initially, simply as a menu item; only after it has been clicked does the 'run as admin' submenu option appear; and on reboot the cycle repeats.


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:(





Too bad


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I'm not swearing now. :) Over the shock.


Who knows how long CSM will go? I'm thinking positive here. :)
Classic Shell Menu might keep working for most users for a while.

Example: I use old software. Pixelformer last updated Beta version 2009.
Works on xp, Vista, 7, 8, 10
Keeps on working, granted a very simple program. Does not have many tentacles touching Explorer operation.

The way I see it, some smartie programmer will figure out what consistantly crashes CSM on Win 10,
and change the code just enough, to keep it working for years.

Has anyone else besides Clemens, jiriw, thx_4_the_hard_wk, come forward after looking at Ivo's code?


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Thanks so much for what you have done.......
However, what a bummer!!!
My personal and professional demeanor is to stay organized.
CS has helped me immensely in accomplishing this task.
Good luck on next venture!


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Sad to see this go, I use it on all my Windows computers and have installed it for many friends. Thanks for your work on Classic Shell, and the best of luck with your other endeavors.


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Thanks for this wonderful software. I can understand your decision not to support it anymore. Classic Shell is one of my ALL TIME favorite software that I installed on every single Windows PC in my household along with all other PCs from friends and relatives :). Can not say enough good things about Classic Shell :( except that thanks again for all your work on Classic Shell for all these years


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I, too, registered to the forum to tell you "Thank You!" Your wonderful Classic Shell made my transitions through Microsoft's operating systems tolerable. I really don't like the newer OS's lock-step interface.
I wish you great success and satisfaction in your new endeavors.


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Recently upgraded to Windows 10 Pro and Classic Start Menu is working perfectly. Please don't discontinue it as it is essential to many people. I've been using it for many, many years. Sorry I've probably become complacent and just accepted that Classic Start Menu would always be available.


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Trying to dissuade him from discontinuing work is not a viable option. Like he said, months of deliberation. This probably wasn't an easy decision and it won't be turned as easily.

However, I very much like Classic Shell and I like it so much I am willing to pay to keep it going. If someone is willing to pick up the torch, start a Patreon or something, I would definitely contribute to the cause.


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Considering the importance and popularity of this project, it definitely seems like it could become a profitable company or perhaps be acquired by a company. In fact if Microsoft were really together they'd acquire it and integrate it into Windows!


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Microsoft is too stuck up about shifting away from old paradigms, even if some users consider them better. They won't take this project.
And I just remembered, Stardock already has something like that and it's not that expensive: https://www.stardock.com/products/start10/
Maybe we should all move...


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Several companies do: heres a comparison chart of features :)
http://www.classicshell.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=2399


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Microsoft is too stuck up about shifting away from old paradigms, even if some users consider them better. They won't take this project.
And I just remembered, Stardock already has something like that and it's not that expensive: https://www.stardock.com/products/start10/
Maybe we should all move...



The only Start Menu app that properly shows the recently used items and programs is Classic Shell. that's what's preventing me from using any other.


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Sorry to hear that, but you had already done a great work isn't it...


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nooooooooooooooo

:( I was really sad to hear this but I understand your reasoning. I wasn't planning on using Windows 10 anyway, for all the reasons you mentioned. I own my computer—not Microsoft. Every release adds stupid features that I'll never use and takes away the ones I did... Ugh. I won't go on. I hope someone picks up the mantle for those that are stuck with Windows 10.


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